TATOC is exposed by Timeshare talk. TATOC did not support MRL Harry Taylor did, he did not seek advice from TATOC’s board of Directors, No pay for Directors , no vote for some Directors and no voice.
Introduction to Timeshare Talk
Mavo was appointed a shadow director of TATOC in or about March this year and resigned that position in or about September 2014.
ivyleague is a MRL Owner
hal540uk is Harry or Henry Taylor
AS-IS is another consumers who writes on this web site
The Introduction to the Issues
Harry Taylor makes the following announcements on Talk timeshare
Re: Mc Donald new product
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2014, 12:45:03 »
I will be moderating the Question and Answer sessions at the Macdonald Road Shows (listed below)
For Macdonald members who are unable to attend these shows I will ask questions on your behalf.
Please make the questions short and to the point so I will be able to ask more in the allotted time. I will reply direct to the member asking the question
Harry
CEO TATOC
MRL Roadshows 2014 venues / addresses
Monday 14th July Elmers Court – South Baddesley Road, Lyminton, Hampshire
10.30 am and 2.30 pm roadshows.
Tuesday 15 July Berystede – Bagshot Road, Sunninghill, Ascot, Berkshire, SL5 9JH
10.30 am and 2.30 pm roadshows.
Wednesday 16th July -Ansty Hall – Main Road, Ansty, Nr Coventry, Warwickshire,
10.30 am and 2.30 pm roadshows.
Thursday 17th July – Burlington – Burlington Arcade, 126 New Street, Birmingham,
10.30 am and 2.30 pm roadshows.
Friday 18th July – Tickled Trout – Preston New Road, Samlesbury, Preston, Lancashire,
10.30 am and 2.30 pm roadshows
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Saturday 19th -July Kilhey Court – Chorley Road, Standish, Nr Wigan, WN1 2XN
10.30 am and 2.30 pm roadshows.
Sunday 20th July- Tickled Trout – Preston New Road, Samlesbury, Preston, Lancashire,
10.30 am and 2.30 pm roadshows.
Monday 21st July Inchyra Grange – Grange Road, Polmont, Falkirk, FK2 0YB
10.30 am and 2.30 pm roadshows.
Tuesday 22nd July –Aviemore Resort- Aviemore, Inverness-shire
10.30 am and 2.30 pm roadshows
Wednesday 23nd July –Norwood Hall – Garthdee Road – Aberdeen
10.30 am and 2.30 pm roadshows
Time and tide waits for no man
TCA Summarize
So this is the stage Harry has full knowledge of the events the times and the dates promotes the events on Talk Timeshare.
He claims he will moderate the Question and Answer sessions so that agreement must have been made with MRL. He will ask questions on your behalf. and ask that they be short.
Now in the grand scheme of things this to my knowledge was the only place the information got out to consumers, those consumers never agreed with him moderating, never sanctioned that he would be the right man for the job and never gave him any mandate MRL did!
He replied as the CEO of TATOC
Consumers will understand that TATOC have been commissioned by MRL and the issues drive at the fundamental contracts which those consumers have MRL. Clearly we are dealing with a lot of resorts and indeed thousands upon thousands of consumers who were not members of TATOC who DID not know who TATOC was and who had not agreed to the moderator choice.
TATOC claim to be Celebrating 25 Years of Consumer Advice
That’s not true
The TATOC team assists with mediation.
Yet Harry Taylor choice is to sue his own consumers instead of mediation which he says he promotes.
TATOC is the only elected consumer association representing the interests of timeshare owners in Europe.
The last issue is very concerning for the following reasons:-
The word of the day is elected.
TATOC is operated by its Directors and those directors ought to be registered at companies house, not to do so is not a crime but it’s not helpful either.
Directors have votes and as there is only two votes in any directors meeting both Mr Chapman and Mr Taylor can propose something and if they both consent the policy is implemented. If they disagree then the chairman has a casting vote (in the event of dead lock) In practise whatever Harry wants will be passed in the event of Mr Chapman descents. That to me is Harry is in control.
Furthermore below is a photo a obtained from the internet which purports to represent the board meeting of its directors, yet they do not appear to be registered at companies house.
These directors as in fact Shadow Directors people who are undetected at Company’s House, yet are the collective directing mind of the company TATOC. They will be libel for their actions in law, yet they do not have a vote at any properly convened directors meetings. How do we know this?
The TATOC rules say so!
Two directors will be retiring under the two-term rule 4.3.
4.3 Notwithstanding Article 4.1 Directors shall stand down and not be eligible for re- election at an AGM that would extend their continuous period as a Director beyond 6 years, provided that the application of this Article shall not result in the number of Directors (including those standing for election at the AGM) falling below the minimum number required under Article 3.
4.4 Any Director standing down under Article 4.3 may be considered for re-election at any subsequent AGM.
4.5 Any Director standing down under Article 4.3 may be invited by the Board to continue to serve on the Board as adviser or co-opted member and, if willing, be otherwise called on by the CEO.
We invite applications from members who are eligible for appointment to the board.
4.6 Eligibility for appointment to the board of Directors is restricted to:
(a) Any person who is or who has been for at least three consecutive years in the Association or other similar representative body in membership of the Company.
(b) Any Individual Member of TATOC who has owned any timeshare (in the UK or abroad) for at least ten years.
TATOC welcomes new directors and is keen to explore how they can put their skills and interests to good use to future growth of TATOC.
Directors do not get paid, but are entitled to claim out-of-pocket expenses in line with TATOC expenses policy. This includes travel to and from meetings.
The main requirement for Directors of TATOC is a positive attitude towards timeshare and promoting the helpline while working with the legitimate industry for the benefit of timeshare owners.
We also welcome applications from members to be TATOC co-opted Directors under the rule 4.10
4.10 The board of Directors may appoint not more than five people as co-opted members who have skills; experience knowledge that would be of benefit to the governance of the Company. Each appointment of a co-opted member shall be made at a meeting of the board of Directors and shall take effect from the end of that meeting until the next Annual General Meeting. Co-opted members shall NOT have a vote.
Conclusion
So the co-opted members don’t have a vote, they don’t get paid are invited by the existing directors controlled by Mr. Taylor are only eligible if TATOC:-
Has explored and accepted that they useful to TATOC and qualified.
The main requirements are a positive approach to timeshare, promoting TATO Help line, whilst working with (as TATOC) say The Legitimate Industry.
Does that meet the claims TATOC makes is the only elected consumer association representing the interests of timeshare owners in Europe.
In our view it falls far short of the mark as Harry Taylor controls the board , a board who are not paid and have no vote in any event.
The TATOC investigate its applications and can choose not to accept applications. Noteworthy is if those co-opted members don’t have a positive approach with the (so claimed legitimate industry they will not be on the co-opted board.. Is that elected is that representative or is it controlled?
MAVO was in the shadow mind of TATOC and was elected and has recently resigned. So being in that position what does he say, was his reasons for that resignation.
Ivy league now gets stuck in to Mr Taylor with questions on Timeshare Talk:-
Harry for clarity! Did you know the contents of the new constitution before or during the road-shows?
Did the club committees invite you to chair the Q&A’s or MacDonald? Do you know who took your place at the Road-shows you did not attend?
Is it correct you said you could find nothing wrong with the scheme? Was that a personal or TATOC opinion?
Does TATOC agree with Simon Jackson in perpetuity is enforceable and the family or person who inherits is subject to a contract they did not sign, or do you agree with (this advice from TATOC in 2004)?
Does it concern you that a Platinum Affiliated member of TATOC is telling/implying or suggesting to owners the contract does not end when a contract ends?
Have you told MacDonald owners through their club TATOC considers the death of an owner the end of the contract and future commitments?
Has TATOC given any opinion on whether or not the change from fixed week to points without an owner’s agreement is a breach of contract?
Finally could you clarify are the club committees registered with TATOC in their own right paying a fee out of club funds?
« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2014, 16:54:28 »
I think you may find that Mavo recently resigned his position on the TATOC board.
Mavo
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2014, 19:00:32 »
Yes pathfinder. Sorry but I am no longer a member of the TATOC Board as I resigned my position in early September, so I am unable to be of any help with the questions posed by Ivyleague.
AS-IS
« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2014, 11:40:35 »
To get back to the original post and the unanswered questions. Why doesn`t mavo tomeluk answer them as he did not resign until September, so he must be in the know regarding the events that Ivyleague is asking the questions about?
Mavo
Unfortunately As Is. Though you would logically assume that having been on The Board of TATOC around the time that policy decisions were being made which related to the questions Ivyleague has asked I would be able to shed some light and answer the questions posed. The problem was and is that the full board were not being consulted on the TATOC policy decisions until after they were implemented by Harry Taylor. In other words and at that stage they were not TATOC decisions, they were Harry Taylor decisions.
Mavo
Further to the continued probing on this thread, I would like to make it clear that shortly after I was elected in March, I was approached by a member of a developer run resort and asked to clarify via TATOC what was going on at the resort as constitutional changes seemed to be about to take place that were of concern to the aforementioned owner. I approached Harry Taylor with the situation and he indicated that he was in America at the ARDA conference but also present at that conference was the CEO of the developer in question and so he would converse with him and get back to me with a response. This conference took place between 6th-10th April.
I thus conveyed this to my contact with the news that replies were imminent.
In early May and having had no further word or response from Harry Taylor on his meeting with the CEO of the developer I was made aware (though I already knew via network sources) that constitutional changes were soon to be put to owners via the resort committee for voting on. Having reviewed those proposed changes it appeared that one of the major concerns of my owner was in place as an amendment to the constitution soon be voted on. This amendment was in opposition to the mandatory agreement of RDO members with regards to the exit strategy appertaining to bereavement.
This resulted in my contacting Harry Taylor via email and seeking clarification and explicitly pointing out the RDO mandatory agreement that the proposed constitutional changed did not comply with. A number of, what I considered to be, less than acceptable and I felt evasive explanations and responses were then offered up in quick succession as I became insistent that as a member of the TATOC Board I be given a full explanation of what was happening. This was to enable me to address with knowledge the concerns being expressed by the owner seeking clarification on the answers to their concerns. It was also to enable me to perform what I felt and still feel to be my duties as a board member.
Requirements of Directors under Company Law.
There are many articles on the internet about the roles and responsibilities of the boards and its directors on Not For Profit Companies or organisations. All say the same thing basically in that it is the responsibility of the boards to have knowledge of and to revue and ensure that the policies the organisation is adopting are agreed and are in line with current legislation. Not only are boards responsible they are liable if activities take place that lead to litigation and ignorance is not an excuse for any board member in the event of a legal challenge to the organisations complicity on any issue that the organization becomes involved in.
The TCA Conclusion
The timeshare consumers require representation and from the members whom they elect. Then we have TATOC who court the services of someone who passes all they self imposed tests who will act free of charge who does not have a vote who wants to act in the best interest and who is prepared to question matters and he is ignored, is not informed is by passed and left holding a liability he did not want or court. This if true is TATOC and the practices of TATOC.
For more information regarding this article or assistance in any other timeshare related issues please contact the TCA on 01908 881058 or email: info@TimeshareConsumerAssociation.org.uk